Um everyone knows my feeling on proof Um you know I was a big fan Um and Kevin Rose is definitely a Builder in the space look up to him also Web 2 Um Native and a lot of success from that Perspective however when he went CCO I Was incredibly pissed off I was a moon Bird holder Um and you know on their website I Clearly said that they were not CCO Um that that they were yours and you Could do what you wanted them um and They were protected and then Unilaterally he went and did that his He's since back back a little bit from From proof I mean he's still completely Evolved like he was but he's not he's Not putting himself out there as much But there was a spaces that I heard About the other day where he said no It's time to put himself out there and He's going to do what he thinks is right Um he admits that they were wrong about CC the way they handled CCO not about Going CCO so the first thing that's uh That's been happening is that the Grails Have been announced Um and as I said there is still you know The anniversary coming up here and I